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In deference to long time poster ReadyForAChange, he made a fascinating observation that really deserves its own post.

In just another example in a continuing pattern, Dickie Scruggs hired renowned defense attorney Jack Dunbar, who was the President of the Mississippi Bar Association in 1983-1984, to represent him in the Luckey Wilson fee case that they filed against Scruggs after the asbestos fees were split. That's certainly not news.

However, what is news, at least to the YallPolitics Nation is that Jack Dunbar, prior to serving as lead counsel to Scruggs in the Luckey/Wilson case, played a pretty pivotal role in the Scruggs financial fortune, albeit in an indirect fashion. Dunbar was selected by the State of Mississippi (read then AG Mike Moore) as Mississippi's representative to the arbitration panel that set the final tobacco settlement and attorneys' fees.


The Tobacco Fee Arbitration Panel was created in 1998 as part of the settlement of state tobacco litigation between the leading companies in the tobacco industry and the state Attorneys General. Its objective is to determine full, fair and reasonable attorneys' fees for the outside counsel retained by the states to pursue their cases. These fees, which will be paid by the tobacco companies, are separate from -- and in addition to -- the multi-billion dollar financial recoveries the states will receive through their settlements with the industry.


Think about this. Of the 6,000 available Mississippi attorneys at the time, Scruggs just so happened to choose the one that just happened to serve on an arbitration panel that played a significant role in making him a multi-gazillionaire. That lawyer just happened to also be the former President of the Mississippi Bar.

Aye yah aye.


Posted January 14, 2008 - 4:34 pm
60 Comments:

Click through the links on this one.  This one hurt to write.  It may be the most interesting thing that has come up all day.

Posted by Alan on 01-14-2008 at 05:42 PM [link]

WOW.

incest.

and these twins weren’t seperated at birth.

Kingfish Rocks

Posted by kingfish on 01-14-2008 at 05:57 PM [link]

And also, Jack Dunbar was co-counsel in Horton v. American Tobacco with Don Barrett.

Posted by imac49 on 01-14-2008 at 08:29 PM [link]

You’re right.  He was a tobacco plaintiff’s lawyer, and he was MS representative to set the tobacco’s plaintiff’s lawyer fees.

Posted by Alan on 01-14-2008 at 09:03 PM [link]

Was Dunbar hired before or after the arbitration?  If Moore picked him while he was representing Scruggs, that would be a serious conflict of interest/ethical violation.  Personally, I don’t think Jack Dunbar would do that.  (And, I’m not a big fan of Mr. Dunbar, but I do admire his legal ability - personal experience, 1-1 - and I would hope to God he’s honest.  Otherwise, I’m going to start turning around every 2-3 seconds.

Posted by brush on 01-14-2008 at 09:04 PM [link]

Wow.  Umpteen years of posting genius and I finally get my own byline.  Thanks Alan.  You’re still a propeller head, though.

Personally, I think the money angle is at least as interesting, if not more, than Jack Dunbar’s connection.  Everybody with half a brain knows Dickie didn’t agree to pay P.L. Blake $50 million to clip newspaper articles—even though they’ve both testified to that effect under oath.  If you study the flow of money from Dickey to P.L., it started out small ("small" being a relative term)—$15,000 then $25,000 per month starting in 1993 or ‘94.  Dickie says these payments were “loans” to P.L., although he admits he never asked for any form of collateral, and never had a signed agreement.  I guess he just looked into P.L.’s bankrupt criminal eyes, and liked what he saw. 

And here’s an important point—the payments were made directly from Dickie to P.L.  That is, they were until August 1998.  That’s when Dickie literally flooded P.L. with money—$10 million in six months—and tried to hide his tracks by funneling it through Pal Joey, according to his testimony.  Nobody, nobody has come up with a valid explanation for where the money went.

Now here’s another important point—when I say “Dickie flooded P.L. with money,” I’m not necessarily talking about Dickie’s money.  Remember that Dickie had enrolled at least eleven other attorneys or firms as plaintiff’s counsel in the state’s tobacco suit.  They didn’t actually do any work—they essentially bought a seat at the table by investing in varying amounts, typically ranging between $100,000 and $1 million.  So when “Dickie flooded P.L. with money,” it’s pretty clear the money came from all of the lawyers participating in Dickie’s little consortium.

Which might explain the rumors about “scores” of target letters which have recently been sent out by the feds, if you believe the rumor mill.

Still, none of us knows for sure at this point what P.L. did with the $10 million.  But we know for a fact that (1) P.L. was previously convicted of bribery, (2) Somehow Dickies good friend Jack Dunbar managed to land on the Tobacco Fee Arbitration Panel, (3) less than three months after Dickie delivered $10 million to P.L., that same panel made Dickie one of the wealthiest lawyers in America, and (4) Dickie then immediately boosted P.L.’s compensation from a measley $25,000 per month to $400,000 and change per quarter, for as long as the tobacco payments continued to flow in.

None of us knows for sure what P.L. did with the money.  But you can bet your boopy Pal Joey knows.  Joey wouldn’t have been the secret conduit for that much cash without knowing.  So my bet is that the feds are drilling in now on P.L.  They might go through his phone records, and if they find one single phone call between P.L. and Jack Dunbar between August 1998 and June, 1999, or between P.L. and any other member of the Arbitration Panel, ever—this thing goes nationwide.

Posted by ReadyForAChange on 01-14-2008 at 09:05 PM [link]

Here’s another interesting snippet from Overlawyered during the Minor trial.

According to testimony from Jackson attorney Danny Cupit, Scruggs attempted to convince then-Gov. Ronnie Musgrove in 2000 to appoint Judge William Myers to a vacancy on the state high court; Myers had presided over the tobacco-Medicaid suit that made Scruggs a gazillionaire. ("Lawyer says he was pressured to give money to Miss. justice”, AP/Picayune Item, Jul. 7).

The end result was the Musgrove said no to Myers, so he elevated Diaz and then Myers got Diaz’s spot on the Court of Appeals.

Moving judges around . . . hmmm, where have I heard that tactic lately.

Posted by Alan on 01-14-2008 at 09:18 PM [link]

even my 2 year can tell P L is the “bag” man.  It’s going to be fun to watch, hate it fo MS, but I have been telling anyone that would listen for 10-15 yrs that this was going on.  First saw it in Holmes and Jefferson counties with jury members and rummors of judges.  What I am waiting for is when the frds start taking down some of the doctors that took part in the mess.

Posted by dogwood on 01-14-2008 at 09:28 PM [link]

This whole group of miscreants must have got a helluva batch of experiemental weed from Ole Miss’s pot farm.  What else can explain this?

Posted by Crusader on 01-14-2008 at 10:42 PM [link]

Guys,
I must be missing something.  From my understanding, each side decided to pick an arbitrator, and then these arbitrators picked a third arbitrator to form the panel.  Now, someone references a five man panel, but the link states a three man panel. 

“The three-member Panel is headed by a Chairman, who is a consensus selection of all parties to the agreement, and includes an industry-appointed member.  The third member will be an individual state-appointed panelist, who will be determined on a state-by-state basis.”

I think the confusion is that it was a three man panel but the third man changed on what state the panel was considering: Florida, Texas, or Miss. 

So, my confusion is that Jack Dunbar was suppose to be a homer, just as the “industry-appointed member” was suppose to be a homer.  the Chairman was the independent party.  Soooooo am i missing something? are you implying that Miss. didnt have an independent party to review the tobacco’s fees?  Well Mr. Dunbar didnt do anything illegal or unethical by participating in this arbitration.  He was actually suppose to fight for higher fees for the Scruggs.  hell if he wasnt a homer, he would have breached his duty.

I think some of you are implying that the State was entitled to this money if the attorneys fees were not so high.  That is not the case.  Guys if this panel came back and awarded 1 million dollars on the fees, the State’s claim would still only be $392 B (i think this was the total settlement).  There is a misconception that attorney fees paid by the Defendant are somehow property of the party.  That is incorrect.  Whether it is a fraud case, an employment discrimination case, civil rights, or any other case where the party is subject to attorneys’ fees, the fees are never the property of the party.  Never.  I know this thinking comes from the World com case, but that 14 million dollars was never the property of the state.  You guys have the right to hate lawyers, but they have got to get paid. I hate the tobacco attorneys and specifically scruggs and his crew.  I hope they all rot in jail, but with that said.  If you hire someone on a contingency fee basis, what would have been fair compensation for a group of attorneys that recovered $392 Billion dollars? i think they got 3% of the total fees.  Was this a massive amount of money? yes.  Was it justified? yes.  They did something that has never been done before.  Took down an industry that lied about its products for years.  I know for a fact that all the defense firms, Butler Snow, Phelps and others laughed at scruggs when he filed this suit.  Now, whether he used illegal manners to receive such a verdict is one thing, but right now assuming that he didnt and that is a big assumption, what would have been fair compensation.  The state didnt want to hire him on a per hour basis, and if you dont promise the lawyers a big payday they will never take on this large companies in this complex suits. 

Anyway, I think some of you are confused that Jack Dunbar was supposed to be some sort of regulatory or auditory capacity for the state.  He was not.  He was suppose to represent the the Plaintiff’s lawyers in his this arbitration just as much as the industry insider was suppose to represent the tobacco interests.  the independent party was the chairman.  I dont know Mr. Dunbar, but i dont think his reputation should be damaged because of some wrong assumptions.

Posted by What did you say Tiki? on 01-15-2008 at 05:40 AM [link]

Mr. Dunbar’s reputation should NOT be damaged.  sorry. trying to eat and type.

Posted by What did you say Tiki? on 01-15-2008 at 05:45 AM [link]

Sinner, you make some good points.  The first article I linked listed five members of the arbitration panel but, as you correctly note, three of those guys rotated out depending on which state was being considered.  Of course, if I wanted to bribe an arbitration panel into doing my bidding and I know once panelist is already in my pocket, I’d much rather have a three-member panel than a five-member panel.  I’d only have to bribe one guy instead of two.

I’ve never paid much attention to the Arbitration Panel which set the fees, or the role Mississippi played in that process, but reading this article (especially the links) in light of what we now know about Dickie and P.L. makes my stomach queasy.  The “neutral,” a guy named John Calhoun Wells, isn’t even a lawyer and applied no normal rules of evidence.  He appears to be a Texas redneck hunter with an affinity for bird dogs.  Sounds a lot like someone P.L. could gee and haw with, if you know what I mean.  The article notes that everyone, everyone, was stunned when the panel awarded Dickie and his cronies as much as it did.

On a side note, here’s a fun quote dealing with the panel’s consideration of the fee request by one group of lawyers in the Castano litigation:

Before the hearing the lawyers had given the three-person arbitration panel a slickly produced set of three videos, complete with a distinguished British voice-over. The tapes contained testimonials about the great work the Castano lawyers had done, beginning with footage of former president Bill Clinton praising the group. (Clinton’s brother-in-law Hugh Rodham is a Castano member.)

Get that?  Hillary’s crooked brother was one of the scumbags trying to cash in on the fee gold rush which Dickie started.

Posted by ReadyForAChange on 01-15-2008 at 06:39 AM [link]

It is funny that all of this is coming out now.  A lot of us, at the time, didn’t think that whole tobacco deal was passing the smell test, but no really had anything to grab onto.

I wonder how different it would have been in anyone honest had known about P.L Blake back then. 

And, I agree with everyone else.  The more you see how hard Scruggs and Company will fight to screw money out of people who have obviously done a lot of work and deserve it, the more you realize what an incredibly extraordinary event it is, for Scruggs to give someone like P.L Black $10,000,000 up front, and $40,000,000 later, on a handshake.

That has got to be the biggest buried body in Mississippi history.

Posted by lawdoctor1960 on 01-15-2008 at 06:46 AM [link]

Darn, the program I have on word documents, that corrects my spelling as I go, on most stuff I write, has apparently ruined my spelling skills.

Posted by lawdoctor1960 on 01-15-2008 at 06:48 AM [link]

Readyforachange,
You also make some good points.  I will put nothing past scruggs and I will be the guy at the federal pen with a month’s worth of cigs for the guy that makes him his pet.  With that said, I just dont know what is fair and reasonable compensation for a case that nets $392 B that was taken on a contingency fee?  What would you think it would be? Because obviously no one knew that they would win and win that much.  As for P.L. Blake, i think an investigation needs to be conducted on his activity.  The question is did he get paid attorneys fees which are illegal or did Dickie Scruggs pay him out of his own pocket, which is not.  BTW, here is a little gem.  Did you know no contract was ever signed by Moore and Scruggs? I hear this is how Barbour is going to attack the fees.  I just dont know if the Governor has standing to attack the fees when the damn Defendants agreed to pay them.  Of course if there is any illegality they could.  But remember we are dealing with an industry that lied for decades.  I bet the slime after those two sides left a room was massive. 

Side note:  Someone might want to tell Phil Bryant that he lost standing as auditor to sue Joey the day he took office as Lt. Governor.  He cannot bring that suit and must either do a substitution of parties or dismiss it. I wonder if the new auditor would want to continue it.  I have a feeling Joey just wants to go away.

Posted by What did you say Tiki? on 01-15-2008 at 07:05 AM [link]

“The question is did he get paid attorneys fees which are illegal or did Dickie Scruggs pay him out of his own pocket, which is not.”

No, no, no, Sinner.  That’s a red herring.  The question is, did P.L. take the $10 million and bribe a member of the Tobacco Fee Arbitration Panel?  The implications of that question dwarf everything else we’ve been considering about Dickie so far.

With regard to your comment about Jack Dunbar being a known advocate for the plaintiffs on the panel, I’ll just say that’s never been the way I’ve been allowed to pick arbitrators.  When you deal with a panel, you are normally given a list of neutrals from whom to select.  The American Arbitration Association has a long list of pre-screened arbitrators.  You do your research and, if you discover that a prospective panelist might be biased, you raise hell about it.  The lawyers are supposed to be the advocates, not the arbitrators themselves.

Lawdoc, you’re spot on as usual, with one caveat.  This isn’t just the biggest buried body in Mississippi history—it may be one of the biggest buried bodies in American history.

Posted by ReadyForAChange on 01-15-2008 at 08:11 AM [link]

Furthermore, the issue is did P.L. take the $10 million and pay off anyone in the Mississippi legislature, who helped in the tobacco-medicaid legislation; and did P.L. take the $10 million and pay off an Attorney General for the tobacco case pursuit vis a vis Scruggs; and did P.L take the $10 million and pay off anyone in Congress to grease the skids on acceptance of the national tobacco settlement.

And the same goes for the out-year payments made to ole P.L. as well.

Posted by Reagan Dem on 01-15-2008 at 08:22 AM [link]

I agree with you on the usual role of arbitrators, but have you ever had one presented that was an “industry insider”? what is that? I just saying i am assuming that both parties went in thinking that their guys would be just that.  Now the 10 million, you raise a good point, but based on the federal class action laws on paying lawyers on their recovery, i thought think they would have to bribe the arbitrator.  Would you have to bribe a guy to pay you when you won a case that no one thought you could and that netted 392 B? i will ask you again Readyforachange...what would you had awarded them?  But i will say the idiots bribed Lackey for a motion they would have won.  So with this group anything is possible. 

NOW, based on Scruggs’ recent history, i would be more likely to guess that the money went to some fact witnesses or some judges.  Maybe some local defense counsel for some “internal documents?”

Didn’t Grisham base a character on PL Blake in the “king of torts”? The fixer or problem solver or whatever.

Posted by What did you say Tiki? on 01-15-2008 at 08:27 AM [link]

I don’t get why everyone gets all goosy about what John Grisham thinks.  Grisham is Scruggs buddy.  He goes to the big Scruggs Christmas PartyHe defends him publicly.  He is a huge partisan.  He writes OK books, though they certainly have declined in quality over time.

Put simply, what John Grisham does is irrelevant.  I don’t think his imagination is as good as what the truth is here.

Posted by Alan on 01-15-2008 at 08:33 AM [link]

Goodness Reagan Dem, how do you spell R A M P A N T ? And while we’re ‘conjecturin’, did part of that money grease a palm at the highway department to keep that extra red light out of Benoit so the town could catch more levee rum-runners?

Yours *is* more realistic, if not more creative. ;{

Posted by Donn on 01-15-2008 at 08:38 AM [link]

F Grisham.

Why don’t we discuss the record of his FATHER!!!

Posted by kingfish on 01-15-2008 at 08:38 AM [link]

THANK YOU ALAN!!! it is about time some one said that. Grisham stood up for Scruggs with one of the top three most laughable statements yet ... remember Scruggs being too wealthy and sophisticated to bribe a judge in this manner? That’s just right behind going to the “Holy land” to receive “edification”?!

Posted by middleoftheroad on 01-15-2008 at 08:39 AM [link]

That’s just right behind going to the “Holy land” to receive “edification”?!

If memory serves, so did Arafat.

Posted by Donn on 01-15-2008 at 08:44 AM [link]

I think (or whatever is the appropriate word) that Dunbar acted as an arbitrator in the MS case, which didn’t net 392B, but about 4-5B.  So, the 1+B fee was a lot more than 3%.

Still, as someone pointed out, this was not money that would have otherwise gone to the state, it come directly out of the tobacco companies pockets.

(There were four states who settled independently of the Master Settlement Agreement, which was negotiated independently by Moore et al. and had to be approved by Congress.  Blake’s work?  The four were:  MS, TX, WI and FL.)

Posted by brush on 01-15-2008 at 08:50 AM [link]

Your correct Brush—Dickie’s $1.4 billion fee was predicated on the $3 - 4 billion recovery by the State of Mississippi, not the national settlement.  The Panel awarded him something like 35%, which is a nice commission considering the case never went to trial.  He also picked up big chunks of fees when other states arbitrated their fee awards.  The article I linked this morning (it really is required reading) has another link to all of the arbitration awards—you’ll see Dickie’s name on multiple states.

Posted by ReadyForAChange on 01-15-2008 at 08:56 AM [link]

HAVE YOU READ “KING OF TORTS”? It was not a flattering betrayal of dickie scruggs or loosely based on dickie? Makes him out to be a My point was fellas that PL Blake and his part in the tobacco litigation has been known for years.  It was brought out doing a damn congressional hearing.  Farmer gets $50 million dollars. 

The bagman for a company or the fixer was Max something. 

Damn Allan, what did Grisham write about you in one of his novels?

Look, instead of some sunshine law that states that a committee of a Legislature must approve these contracts which would NEVER WORK because Charlie Ross would recommned his firm, Ed Blackmon would recommend Issac Byrd, etc, etc., Why not just pass a law that on all public contracts that the attorneys’ fees must be approved by the Court? is that too simple or am i missing something?

Posted by What did you say Tiki? on 01-15-2008 at 08:59 AM [link]

Brush and Readyforachange,
Thank you for correcting me.  Using the federal class action rules for attys fees for a guideline, i think a court would have awarded a fee of 15-20%.  So i would say on a 5B settlement they would be entitled to a 750million dollar fee. 

Anyword if the feds are going after the Phen-fen or silica boys?

Wasnt Joey involved with his brother Shane in phen-fen? Wonder if anything is going to come out of that?

Posted by What did you say Tiki? on 01-15-2008 at 09:05 AM [link]

When did PL start getting paid?

Posted by brush on 01-15-2008 at 09:10 AM [link]

Brush—According to Dickie’s deposition transcript (hopefully Alan can provide us another quick link), he started paying P.L. $15,000 per month beginning in 1993 or ‘94, increasing at some point to $25,000 monthly.

Posted by ReadyForAChange on 01-15-2008 at 09:18 AM [link]
Posted by Alan on 01-15-2008 at 09:33 AM [link]

brush- “ Still, as someone pointed out, this was not money that would have otherwise gone to the state, it come directly out of the tobacco companies pockets.

That’s always been the line from Mike Moore and Dickie Scruggs.  But, the negotiations with the tobacco companies were conducted, with all of the parties knowing full well that the tobacco companies were going to have to pony up the attorneys’ fees later.  It is kind of disingenuous, at the very least, to say that this was money that did not come out of the settlement to the states, or that it did not affect the amount of money the states received.

Posted by lawdoctor1960 on 01-15-2008 at 09:55 AM [link]

I don’t think it’s that disingenuous.  Every contingency lawsuit settlement takes into account that some part is going to the lawyer.  In the tobacco cases, nobody “knew” how much.

So Dunbar represented Scruggs after(?) the tobacco suit was settled.  The MS settlement was 1996, right, maybe 1998.  When were attorney fees awarded?  I thought y’all have been saying the Luckey/Wilson suit started in 1994.  So maybe, Dickie decided ole Jack was a pretty good lawyer and would do a better job than the person who started off representing him.

Posted by brush on 01-15-2008 at 11:47 AM [link]

And, of course goes back to an earlier topic on YP, and why it was done that way- because Moore didn’t think anyone would stand for a contingency fee arrangement of that magnitude.

Posted by lawdoctor1960 on 01-15-2008 at 12:43 PM [link]

“ Still, as someone pointed out, this was not money that would have otherwise gone to the state, it come directly out of the tobacco companies pockets. ”

So let me get this straight—it’s totally cool to extort money (by bribing judges and arbitrators who compel payment) as long as the victim sells cigarettes?

Posted by ReadyForAChange on 01-15-2008 at 10:59 PM [link]

lawdoctor,
Actually you are incorrect about the contingency fee being that big.  they did it so the republicans couldnt get the contract via public information request.  It is documented that scruggs ran out of money and butler snow, brunini and phelps turned him down.  No one thought this would work and thus no one thought the fee would be that big. 

Readyforachange,
No one is saying that.  What they are saying is that atty fees are not property of the party.  YOU are using a red herring.  If and when it is discovered that a judge or arbitrator was bribed the tobacco companies have the right of anyone else that was a victim of fraud.  I heard the other day on Gallo that he was screaming for sunshine law for the AG’s office.  What AG case was involved in this matter? the oxford case was funderburke vs. scruggs, a fee dispute over private fees and the hinds county case was wilson vs. scruggs, a private case over fees.  Where is the AG case involved in this? the Republicans are using this as a red herring.  sad.

Posted by What did you say Tiki? on 01-16-2008 at 03:03 AM [link]

“It is documented that scruggs ran out of money and butler snow, brunini and phelps turned him down.”

OK, Sugar—then show us the documents.  You can’t, because there aren’t any.  And even if there were, it doesn’t prove anything.  Maybe folks at those firms smelled a rat sooner than the rest of us did.

“What AG case was involved in this matter? the oxford case was funderburke vs. scruggs, a fee dispute over private fees and the hinds county case was wilson vs. scruggs, a private case over fees.  Where is the AG case involved in this?”

You’re missing the point.  The two cases you cite establish beyond any reasonable doubt that Scruggs is willing to bribe people to get favorable treatment.  In the case we’re discussing, Dickie secretly funneled $10 million to his bagman through a crooked intermediary for patently bogus reasons, the money disappears, and then two months later a loosey-goosey arbitation panel awards him $1.4 billion dollars.

I could give a rat’s hiney “whether the money came out the state’s award.” Who cares?  If Dickie bribed a member of the Tobacco Fee Arbitration Panel to force the tobacco companies to pay him exhorbitant fees, then he’s a damned crook, plain and simple.  And if his co-investors knew about it and benefitted from the scheme, then they’re damned crooks, too.

Posted by ReadyForAChange on 01-16-2008 at 05:44 AM [link]

Wonder if any of that $50M has financed some of Mrs. Clinton’s campaign.

Posted by brush on 01-16-2008 at 07:22 AM [link]

READYforachange,
Read the congressional hearing on the subject matter.  THERE IS YOUR DOCUMENTS. Scruggs ran out of money on Mike Lewis’ idea and went begging for money.  David Nutt saved his ass and actually made more money than Scruggs because of this.  Also, it came out in the congressional hearing that Blake, a delta farmer was paid $50 million dollars.  No one cared then. 
Second, I am not defending any of these guys that have bribed judges.  They need to do JAIL TIME.  the difference is that you keep on hyping this bribe to an arbitrator.  THERE IS NO EVIDENCE OF THAT.  THAT IS YOUR SPECULATION OR YOUR AN EX FED OR YOU ARE EMPLOYEE OF YOUR TOBACCO.  Which is it?
Third, No, if tobacco was victimized by bribery they should have all the remedies that are provided for us all.  However, the way they lied and used illegal practices one might say karma is a bitch...but no they have their rights. 
Fourth, Why the hell did the tobacco companies agree to this damn thing to begin with? you didnt see John Jones sue Scruggs in Hinds County.  Least he learned something.
Fifth, Lawdoctor is still arguing the attorney’s fees and the party’s are the same thing.  THIS IS LIKE SAYING ALLAN GETS HIRED AS A HEADHUNTER TO GET A LAWYER A JOB.  THE LAWYER GETS THE JOB AND THEN TELLS ALLEN, YOU KNOW THAT 15% IS ACTUALLY MY MONEY AND I DIDNT KNOW YOU WOULD GET ME A JOB MAKING 1M DOLLARS.  YOU DONT REALLY DESERVE 150K A YEAR.  that money would have made lawyer more money, but it aint his. 
Sixth, I hope the ones that bribed judges rot in hell.
Seventh, None of this has anything to with sunshine laws.

Posted by What did you say Tiki? on 01-16-2008 at 07:59 AM [link]

Also,
Some of you might want to get ready the PL Blake just used that ten million dollars for lobbying the government officials.  If that was the case, the irony of some of you screaming for his head when someone was sworn in yesterday is ironic.  All i am saying is that i believe we are innocent until proven guilty.  Now the SOB’S THAT HAVE PLEAD OR HAVE EVIDENCE AGAINST.......IN THE JONES OR WILSON CASE.  I REPEAT I HOPE THEY DIE TODAY AND ROT IN HELL!!!!!!!! But i am not going to damn a man for making $50 million dollars.  If what you are saying is true and these idiots are bribing people it will take Jim Greenlee about ten minutes to figure it out.  I n case you havent notice Jim is a real lawyer and is giving a lesson on how to run a case.  the next time the republicans are looking for a AG or a DA in southern district.  Please call Jim.  He aint scared and he is a hell of lawyer, and he has tried a case.

Posted by What did you say Tiki? on 01-16-2008 at 08:06 AM [link]

Sugar is correct. Scruggs did need money and that is when Nutt became involved. He basically bought a share of Scruggs share of the deal. This was a risk for Nutt because at the time the deal was far from done and if you remember, no one believed that it would actually happen.

Posted by LawyersGuns&Money on 01-16-2008 at 08:06 AM [link]

LGM, from what round of cases did Nutt make his initial money such that he could help fund Scruggs?

Posted by Realistic Conservative on 01-16-2008 at 08:10 AM [link]

Sugar, we’ll just have to see if the people who vote for our elected officials think that “none of this has anything to [do] with sunshine laws.”

I’ll bet that they think you’re wrong.  And I’ll bet that Mr. Hood will have a very difficult time defending against enacting sunshine laws in this legislative session because of the imbroglio in Oxford/Booneville/New Albany.

Hood will look like an arrogant, pompous hypocrite defending his right to single-handedly, with no oversight, make his handpicked outsourced lawyers millionaires, while at the same time those same lawyers are pleading guilty for bribing judges.

That might be a trick that he’d be foolish enough to try, but I wouldn’t recommend it.  At this point, that position is indefensible with the public.

Posted by Reagan Dem on 01-16-2008 at 08:13 AM [link]

Did Nutt make money from asbestos?

And I’m old enough to remember that prior to Richard Schwartz’s ubiquitous ads, David Nutt was the lawyer who advertised on tv.

Posted by Jane on 01-16-2008 at 08:16 AM [link]

But I will agree with you that Greenlee is a hell of a lawyer.

And I’ll bet that P.L. Blake didn’t just “make” $50 million dollars for nothing. 

It will all come out, as it should.

Posted by Reagan Dem on 01-16-2008 at 08:17 AM [link]

Of course, P.L. Blake didn’t make $50 million for nothing.  He clipped newspaper stories, remember?

Posted by Jane on 01-16-2008 at 08:19 AM [link]

Well, sugar, I certainly think you are doing a good job of giving Scruggs’ and the Democrats’ position on things.  I’ll stand by my viewpoint.

But, don’t worry.  It appears very obvious that the truth is rapidly closing in on this whole incident, and we will all know what happened for sure, sooner or later.

Posted by lawdoctor1960 on 01-16-2008 at 08:20 AM [link]

Right Jane, right…

Posted by Reagan Dem on 01-16-2008 at 08:20 AM [link]

Reagan Dem; Do you think that the Mississippi legislature, as currently constituted, will get any closer to passing ‘sunshine legislation’ than they will to passing voter ID or any number of other laws that make sense to the reasonable citizen of this state? My guess is OF Course NOT.

There are (and will continue to be) too many like the Honorable Mr. Flaggs who has a full time job as a (D) Legislator and the Honorable Mr. Blackmon, Esq. who would shrink like an African Violet if exposed to sunlight.

Not one voter in 50, lined up at the polling place, could tell you what a sunshine law is. Things like that don’t resonate.

Posted by Donn on 01-16-2008 at 08:30 AM [link]

Also,
I am not an idiot.  What blake did with the money will be uncovered by Greenlee and if he did bribe anyone....I HOPE HE DIES AND ROTS IN HELL.

Posted by What did you say Tiki? on 01-16-2008 at 08:38 AM [link]

AND LAWDOCTOR
the majority of americans think iraq attacked us in 9/11 and american idol is the best thing on tv.  Just cause the majority thinks it...doest make it right.  something i learned from the good book. 

and yes that is my caring the democratic talking points by giving jim greenlee love WHEN NO ONE HAS ADMITTED THAT HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN YOUR AG CANDIDATE.

Posted by What did you say Tiki? on 01-16-2008 at 08:42 AM [link]

I believe that Nutt became wealthy (a relative term) after the initial round of asbestos cases, maybe the second round.

Posted by LawyersGuns&Money on 01-16-2008 at 08:42 AM [link]

Thanks.  And then his investment in the tobacco litigation, put him well into the black.

Posted by Realistic Conservative on 01-16-2008 at 08:46 AM [link]

Mississippi Bank? What was the genesis of this institution? Who were the major stockholders? Was Steve Patterson an officer. Was P.L. Blake a customer? Inquiring minds want to Know.

Posted by JimS on 01-16-2008 at 08:48 AM [link]

If I remember correctly he was a loan officer. I remember at the time alot of people laughing about it saying it was pretty sad he had gone from state auditor to loan officer.

Posted by kingfish on 01-16-2008 at 09:13 AM [link]

Sugar is right. Jim Greenlee would make an excellent AG candidate. He will max out his federal retirement before the next statewide election.

Posted by Droite on 01-16-2008 at 09:45 AM [link]

Sugar is right. Jim Greenlee would make an excellent AG candidate. He will max out his federal retirement before the next statewide election.

Posted by Droite

How you figure? The retirement formula will never stop growing his reward potential until the day he ceases to be employed by the government. His four high years multiplied by his years of employment times whatever the rest of the formula is, = his monthly payout. He maxes out when he packs his cardboard box.

Posted by Donn on 01-16-2008 at 09:55 AM [link]

No one in the general population knew what a tort was 7 years ago either.

But when the press became more aware of the situation, and started writing stories about the abuses that were taking place in jurisdictions like Jefferson County and Holmes County, the people became so much aware of the need for change that by 2002 we had a special session called by a Governor who had been elected by plaintiff lawyer money.

You can bet that the legislature succumbs to public pressure.  I’d make the argument that Sid Salter and others now think that the the current cronyism in the way legal contracts are handed out will be something that he’ll write about often over the next 12 months.  Ditto for Wyatt Emmerich and others.

The public will become more and more aware, and if Hood and the Democrats controlling the House turn a blind eye to the sunshine reforms, they will be sorry.

Posted by Reagan Dem on 01-16-2008 at 10:29 AM [link]

Blake contributed to Fred Thompson, of course, not Hillary.
So did Tom Anderson.

Posted by Researcher on 01-16-2008 at 11:06 AM [link]

How you figure? The retirement formula will never stop growing his reward potential until the day he ceases to be employed by the government. His four high years multiplied by his years of employment times whatever the rest of the formula is, = his monthly payout. He maxes out when he packs his cardboard box.
That was from a comment he made.

Posted by Droite on 01-16-2008 at 11:50 AM [link]

Blake contributed to Fred Thompson, of course, not Hillary.

Posted by Researcher

Everyone has at least one redeeming quality.

Posted by Donn on 01-16-2008 at 11:58 AM [link]
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